Curt responds to Pat Buchanan

Pat Buchanan wrote another article sympathetic to Russia: http://takimag.com/article/a_russophobic_rant_from_congress_patrick_buchanan

ON FALSE EQUIVALENCE OF COMPARING EXPORTS OF RUSSIAN AND AMERICAN POLITICAL INFLUENCE
(reposted from original site)

Pat.

You posit a moral equivalency where none exists. Here is why:

US *Demonstrated* Postwar Policy Assumes the Following
1) BORDERS – states who don’t respect borders can lead to world wars.
2) HUMAN RIGHTS – states who don’t respect human rights export problems to the rest of us.
3) CONSUMER CAPITALISM – consumer capitalism is in the interests of ordinary people, because it will raise them out of ignorance and poverty, and more importantly, it creates states that can be competed with, and cooperated with, economically rather than militarily – this is profound because just as under consumer capitalism the market competition and conflict produce beneficial ends for consumers, so does does market competition between states produce beneficial ends for consumers since it forces a choice between consumption and expenditure on the ambitions of the central government – not the least of which is military expansion.

BUT ALSO OUR FAILURES

4) DEMOCRACY – it is our evangelism of democracy under the myth that all people desire and are capable of it, rather than, that northern europeans were uniquely capable of self rule for historical reasons:
a) we have a high trust society build through extensive outbreeding [earlier typo corrected]. (See Emmanuel Todd)
b) we have had centuries of suppression of the breeding of the underclasses under manorialism and its predecessors (See Clark and Todd)
c) We have had a unique history of the jury of our peers, rather than authority, for what appears to be more than 4000 years, and the common law for nearly as long – and as such a fairly uinique ability and cognizance of truth and truth telling that separates us from the rest of the world.

The rest of the world, even southern Europe, cannot accomplish self rule because of pervasive corruption (See Fukuyama).

RUSSIA
Russia is a very, very, low trust society that DEPENDS upon systemic corruption to function, but that imposes corruption on its client states. Russia actively imposes brutality, murder, genocide on low trust countries to create military and commercial order necessary for low trust peoples to cooperate.

Conversely eastern europeans, especially Ukrainians, are NOT low trust peoples, any more so than Poles who are indistinguishable from Ukrainians, or even northern Italians (whom despite being largely germanic, the western Slavs resemble in many ways). So, Russian export of low trust means of government onto middle trust countries that can easily develop into high trust countries is by any definition evil and immoral, (they are Christian here in the east after all, and christianity breeds wealth because it breeds trust.) Just as American export of high trust means of government into low trust polities is harmful to them – they are incapable of self rule. They are incapable of self rule in many cases because they still practice inbreeding to control property in the family. (This is what prevents India from advancing more rapidly as well.)

THE HIGH VS LOW TRUST PEOPLES
So this is the difference between American and Russian political exports: If you export good government onto a medium or high trust people they they will flourish. If you export a low trust means of government on a low trust polity, they will also benefit somewhat – Russia’s southern neighbors did even if eastern europeans were murdered by the millions because of it.

Neither the Russians nor the americans are aware of Emmanuel Todd’s insights: That the only way to create a high trust society is the combination of consumer capitalism and outlawing near-breeding and inbreeding. Because as soon as you see everyone as a potential customer, business associate, mate or family member, trust must increase. Just as if you inbreed and rely upon relationships and corruption and parasitism, you will live in poverty (see Banfield’s Moral Basis of a Backward Society).

Most of the world lives in poverty because they have not adopted the christian ethic of treating all men as members of your family. This is the the first secret of christianity The second is the outlawing of cousin marriage by the church. The third was the granting of property rights to women by the church. The fourth was the construction of chivalry so that status only achievable by martial means was achievable by acts of public service.

These activities by the church were not prescient, but practical, and when combined with out indo-european heroism, birth control, truth telling, juries, and local sovereignty made us capable of self rule.

But none of these would have been possible had it not been for the aristocratic egalitarian ethos (see Ricardo Duchesne), which states that any man who wishes to fight for sovereignty must be aided: we must insure anyone who asks for defense as a means of increasing our numbers. We have been insuring one another’s property for thousands of years by the point of our spears, swords, bayonets and bullets. It is how we keep our numbers – we have always been a minority on the western edge of the world, and for most of history of poor one. Yet able to defeat greater numbers and and wealthier opponents.

Other countries cannot self rule because they have not experienced any of these advances. In fact, they find it heinous and prefer their familialism. And given our differences in reproductive rates, they may hold the correct evolutionary strategy – and not us. Western high trust society, high consumption and low birth rates, are not mathematically compatible with immigration of low trust peoples, dependence upon growth of consumption, and extensive redistribution. It is mathematically inescapable suicide (which you know, I know.)

So while in general I share your ideological position on all but marginal matters, it is this one that I think you err in: you are presuming we are strong enough on our own, and abandoning our aristocratic egalitarian strategy of keeping up our numbers by supporting the liberty of any who will fight along side us to preserve it. Instead we must always seek to increase our numbers – of high trust Christians.

Eastern European Christians are ‘us’. Ukrainians are ‘us’. Russians are steppe barbarians that understand only power, and truth is concept for fools. For Russians, “Words are just sounds you make to distract people so that you can defeat them’.

This difference in trust and truth is what separates Russians from westerners: they are a mix between us and the Chinese. Thy are a despotic low trust people with european aspirations and european mythos character, but who have been influenced by mongol, muslim and turkic despotism such that they remain low trust people – what we mean by ‘barbarians’. They never had our commerce and outbreeding so they never developed trust and universalism.

Unfortunately Gorbachev’s vision to unite the circumpolar people would have been successful and beneficial for the world could we have achieved it. The only thing keeping Russians from despotism is 100 thousand western europeans running their laws for three generations.

Which is exactly what it takes to transform a country to western levels unless it can construct a powerful christian minority capable of taking rule long enough to transform the culture’s expectations into one that depends upon property rights, human rights, and dependable rule of law.

Curt Doolittle
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine,

14 Comments

  1. Beauregard

    Curt,

    This is a decent scribing and explanation of the
    why’s of Ukraine.

    Now if you can write an equally lucid plan of work
    to achieve Ukrainian freedom?

    You have demonstrated front end understanding, but
    now write the hard part. That is a way to achieve success.

    Do not be like our host and claim business keeps you
    from achieving greatness. Send me your address so I
    can make you a pulpit to preach from in the center of
    Kyiv by the underground street crossing.

    ————————– // —————————

    “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant
    struggle” — George Orwell

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  2. PUTIN

    Quote – Eastern European Christians are ‘us’.
    Ukrainians are ‘us’. Russians are steppe barbarians. End quote.

    Oh mighty intellect did you know that Adolf Hitler considered the Russians
    to be ‘Untermenschen’? What is the difference between ‘steppe barbarians’ and
    ‘Untermenschen’?

    ——————————YOU ARE SICK ———————————

    Quote – They are a despotic low trust people –

    ——————————YOU ARE RETARD —————————–

    PATHETIC. Infra dignitatem.

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    1. Roman

      You forgot “that understand only power, and truth is concept for fools. For Russians, “Words are just sounds you make to distract people so that you can defeat them’.”

      Like when they promised amnesty to Chechens who surrendered and then tortured the 80 who surrendered to death.

      Like when they promised to honor Ukraine’s border in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear arsenal.

      Like when they said they weren’t invading Crimea.

      Like when they said they weren’t invading Donbas.

      Like when, in Minsk, they promised not to stage a referendum in Donbas.

      Like all those times they said they’d honor a cease fire.

      Like when they promised the Ukrainian communists that they’d be supported if they came to power. (They were all lined up and shot so the puppet masters from Moscow could take over.)

      Like when Catherine promised not to impose feudalism if the Kozaks disbanded.

      Like when they signed the Treaty of Pereyaslav to respect Ukraine’s autonomy.

      For Russians, it seems there’s no shame in lying. All the same goes to the person who believed the lie. The believer is perceived as hopelessly weak and naive. This is why Russia is a corrupt, low trust society. They cannot cooperate neither with each other, nor with others on the scale that Europeans can.

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  3. walt

    WOW! what great observations and well written too. I read the internet late at night and Curt’s writtings or past interviews, here, were many times too beyond me. Maybe I’m tired, but Curt’s style many times I belive is too intellectual. The last couple of reads have been easier to understand. But article is out of this world. I particularly found fascinating his “secrets of Christianity” and it’s result the high trust society.

    As for Buchanan and the Pauls’ views are too out of this world, the underworld.

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  4. Paideia

    pls explain this dichotomy:

    1:
    a) we have a high trust society build through extensive inbreeding. (See Emmanuel Todd)

    2:
    the only way to create a high trust society is the combination of consumer capitalism and outlawing near-breeding and inbreeding.

    I don’t get it.

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    1. Roman

      oops. Sorry, Paideia. Extensive OUTbreeding. That was a typo. I corrected Curt as well. My apologies. Emmanuel Todd makes the case that European high trust comes from extensive OUTbreeding.

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  5. Mark Rothschild

    Mr. Doolittle,

    Please let me know if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that the Ukrainians and Russians were pretty much the same people is terms of social norms. Are the following statements true?

    Ukrainians practice the same religion as Russians (Kiev or Moscow patriarchates not withstanding).

    Ukrainians and Russians speak the same meta-language. Even though there are variants that are mutually unintelligible there is a gradient of intelligibility from Russian through Surzhyk to Ukrainian.

    Ukrainians use essentially the same Cyrillic alphabet as do Russians.

    Ukrainians and most Russians are genetically (racially) similar.

    Ukrainians and most Russians have similar family structure and age of first marriage.

    So, are the forgoing statements incorrect? If so, I would be grateful if you could explain or provide links.

    If the forgoing statements are correct then can you substantiate the idea that Russians are “low trust” and Ukrainians are not “low trust” people?

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    1. Roman

      Curt on the Russian mentality and preference for conspiracy theories: http://romaninukraine.com/curt-on-russian-mentality-conspiracy-theories/

      on Russian tabloid thinking:
      http://romaninukraine.com/russia-a-whole-civilization-run-on-the-equivalent-of-supermarket-tabloid-thinking/

      on why Eastern Europe hates Russia:
      http://romaninukraine.com/curt-on-why-eastern-europe-hates-russia/

      on the innate nobility of Ukrainians:
      http://romaninukraine.com/curt-on-the-innate-nobility-of-ukrainians/

      on why he is rabidly pro-Ukrainian:
      http://romaninukraine.com/curt-why-i-am-rabidly-pro-ukrainian/

      on Ukrainian incompetence:
      http://romaninukraine.com/curt-on-ukrainian-incompetence/

      on Russia’s strategy and Ukraine’s position:
      http://romaninukraine.com/curt-on-russias-strategy-and-ukraines-position/

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  6. Roman Korol

    Mr. Rothschild,
    I do not presume to respond on behalf of Curt, but here is some info relevant to your questions.

    You wrote “Please let me know if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that the Ukrainians and Russians and Ukrainians were pretty much the same people in terms of social norms”.

    This essay by a Ukrainian scholar will clarify for you why your impression is gravely mistaken: http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/05/14/how-moscow-hijacked-the-history-of-kyivan-rus/

    I kind of think this reference also goes a long way to answering your last paragraph, since Ukrainians are Slavs and the “Russians” are what is left of the carcass of The Golden Horde. For additional clarity, I suggest you read again Roman Skaskiw’s post of 18 Dec 2014 in the present thread, as he gives plentiful contemporary examples of barbarian low-trust behaviour that typifies “Russians” but not Ukrainians.

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  7. Beauregard

    Mr Rothschild said, “Ukrainians practice the same religion
    as Russians (Kiev or Moscow patriarchates not withstanding …”

    Ukrainians are not all one religion. Some are Russian Orthodox,
    some are Ukrainian Catholic, some are one of the evangelical
    Christian churches, some are Jewish, some are Moslem, some
    are autocephalous Orthodox. some are Armenian Catholic, and
    others. So by no means can it be said that they practice the
    same religion. What can be said is that many survived the
    Soviets attempts to wipe out religion.

    Again, Mr. Rothschild said, “Ukrainians and most Russians are
    genetically (racially) similar.” Mr. Skaskiw has made several
    post to demonstrate this is not accurate.

    What can be said about genetics is that Ukrainians are a
    hodgepodge of many natives, invaders and transient groups.
    Many of the natives of the last 1000 years are there because
    they were escaping tyranny, brutality and slavery elsewhere.

    I would conclude that many of who we call Ukrainians have a
    lust for freedom as illustrated by Pylup Orlyk and the Cossacks
    in general. To the Soviets dismay, they did not accept the
    theories of Marx. Rather they wanted to keep their own
    cabbages.

    So, grasp that Ukrainians are not Russians…

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