Curt on Parenting — US vs Ukraine

HIGH TIME PARENTING NOT HIGH INVESTMENT PARENTING

Strange watching people in other countries raise children. I was definitely raised in the puritan protestant tradition to be an independent person as soon as possible.

But you watch children in the states today and there is obviously something very wrong with them. Almost all of them. And then you come to a place with a traditional family like Ukraine, and watch the kids and … there isnt’ anything wrong with them. So what’s the difference?

They aren’t constantly trying to get attention from parents who don’t want to give it to them.

Now, it’s not high investment parenting. In fact, it’s kind of strange how LITTLE effort parents put into competitive child rearing. Instead, they just pay attention to them. A lot of attention. At home. WIth family.

That must be what it is that Iove about this country. I think that’s it. Americans are all desperately seeking attention on their terms. Here, nobody is. They’re seeking experiences, and wealth, and opportunity. But they’re not desperate for attention. They aren’t ‘crazy’ like so many americans. They aren’t desperately trying to find meaning in political movements, in environmental movements, in different kinds of spiritualism as a means of filling that hole in their souls.

Is it that simple?

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  1. Ed K

    Curt,

    Here is blog on similar subject:

    Robert Hall is what his bio says. He is dying from pulmonary fibrous. He had a lung transplant which is not responding well.

    Otherwise he would already be gone:
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    Worth Reading: This Propels Asian-American Kids to Head of Class: Reading, math tests showed little difference in innate abilities compared to whites, other minorities. By Amy Norton

    http://www.webmd.com/children/news/20140505/hard-work-propels-asian-american-students-to-head-of-class-study

    Excerpt: Asian-American students have a reputation as high achievers, and a new study suggests their success comes mainly from hard work rather than innate ability. It’s well known that compared with white students, Asian-American kids tend to get higher grades, do better on standardized tests and are more likely to go to college — including elite universities.

    Asians were discriminated against in the American west as badly as or worse than other ethnic groups. The violence directed at them was at least as bad as anything the KKK did. The Chinese in particularly arrived here destitute, while Japanese Americans often lost everything when the Roosevelt administration sent them to camps during WWII. Yet today they have incomes above the national average, and their kids are discriminated against on the basis of race in college admissions, in the holy name of “diversity,” so they won’t overload the universities.

    If you could transfer the work ethic and commitment to education of Asian and Jewish American families to all ethnic groups, poverty would be a very small problem in a generation.

    Pay attention. Race doesn’t matter–culture does. You might want to write that down. ~Bob)

    http://tartanmarine.blogspot.com/2014/05/lots-of-great-items-today.html

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  2. Ed K

    Read Bob’s postings with open and critical mind.
    Nowhere does he say that genetics does not pay
    some role in civilization. Rather he is saying that
    race alone is not reason differences in achievement.

    Yes understand history, accomplishment and the
    normal curve. Then understand regression toward
    the norm of human differences. This means that
    all differences in humans will regress toward the
    mean of that spectrum being measured in future
    generations.

    This is well illustrated in humans who are super
    tall. On average most of their children maybe tall
    but not as tall. This does not say that some will
    not be taller. It says that of the total most will be
    closer to norm than parents.

    This regression toward mean applies to all human
    traits and abilities. While brighter parents may
    have brighter children they will generally regress
    toward the mean. So when the brightest choose not
    to have children, understand that their genetic
    material is loss. The chance to get even that one or
    two who were as bright as a parent is gone from
    human genome.

    Then add to deterioration of genetic material with
    age. It has been demonstrated that DNA and RNA
    chains deteriorate in quality with age. So a male
    over 30 years may still be able to father children,
    those children will not have gotten the best genetic
    material from that parent.

    What Bob is saying is that culture, the family and
    clan where children are raised does impact some
    direction. It does not control. And he does not
    say that genetic does not play some role, it does.
    Cultural environment does have big impact on
    children. Neither genetics or culture are conclusive,
    there is always the individual who escapes the norm.
    Except that is age.

    Now let us apply this concept to Ukraine. Understand
    that the Soviets wantonly killed who they called
    ‘Kulaks’. Who were the Kulaks? Succinctly put
    they were those who opposed communism or
    Marxism.

    So today, especially in eastern Ukraine, there is a
    dearth of genetic material that predisposes a human
    to oppose Marxism. This is in the numbers and spread
    of DNA and RNA.

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    1. Roman

      ” . . . Rather he is saying that
      race alone is not reason differences in achievement. . . .

      This is well illustrated in humans who are super
      tall. On average most of their children maybe tall
      but not as tall. This does not say that some will
      not be taller. It says that of the total most will be
      closer to norm than parents.

      This regression toward mean applies to all human
      traits and abilities. While brighter parents may
      have brighter children they will generally regress
      toward the mean.”

      This idea is wrong. Different races regress to different means in every measurable physical, emotional and intellectual characteristic.

      Their are entire academic departments of Universities trying to prove otherwise, but the truth is a very, very stubborn thing.

      This does not preclude greatness in any individual, but the idea that evolution doesn’t apply to human beings, that all groups are absolutely identical in all physical, emotional and intellectual characteristics is complete poppycock.

      This may shock you, but I can sometimes tell what race a person is just by looking at them. :)

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  3. Ed K

    It was said, “This idea is wrong. Different races regress to
    different means in every measurable physical, emotional
    and intellectual characteristic.”

    Where was it stated that all races regress to same mean? Or,
    if all of one race regress to same mean?

    What it only says is that children of two parents are more likely
    to regress to mean of their heritage. Again, as I stated, it is
    possible of any individual to not regress to mean rather go
    forward. However, in numbers it is just less likely.

    Yes generally you can tell what race a person is just by looking.
    However, travel to the corners of Ukraine and you will see a full
    normal curve of variations of individuals.

    That being said, you may find traits more common among whole population.

    Statistics is only descriptive of history of the population described.

    And continue, that medically speaking females have statistically a
    range where their children have fewer birth defects and greater
    survival. That does not say a late in live pregnancy will not have
    a perfect child. It only says that there is increased probability of
    birth defects in pregnancy and off spring in older females.

    This range of birth defects also applies to males because of DNA
    and RNA getting hit by particles causing defects in chain.

    It was said that there are whole academic departments trying to
    prove something wrong. Yup! Just look at global warmers arguments.
    Then read the Danish archaeologist articles studying the farms
    found under the retreating Greenland glaciers.

    The point to be made that you waltz by is loss of genetic material when
    reproduction of successful does not take place.

    Years ago I was asked in Ukraine, why didn’t they have political leaders
    generally. My reply was they left in Diaspora…

    This is really a genetic material question. Yes certain patterns of DNA
    yield a higher percentage of leaders.

    When Stalin killed the kulaks either thru famine or purges, he was
    diminishing genetic population of those capable of being good leaders.

    It is important to understand that Stalin’s Kulaks were anyone who
    opposed his views.

    His methods seemed to have devolved to Putin. Dead people cannot
    oppose him.

    Having seen the way Putin acts like Stalin, I expect violence…

    I have communicated this opinion the best that I can.

    I keep thinking of the guy who was killed because he gave
    some Ukrainian soldiers water. That to me needs to be avenged,
    avenged completely avenged.

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