Around 11,500 have been killed in Putin’s war in Donbas

Around 11,500 have been killed in Putin’s war in Donbas

4,707 people from the UN report + 750 unreported deaths at Ilovaisk + 6,000 separatist troops (out of which 4,360 are Russian servicemen) = 11,457 deaths. Quite a price to pay for the geopolitical ambitions of one mad man.

1/4 of the losses of Ukrainian servicemen are from the period of the 3-month so-called “ceasefire” that started after the signing of the Minsk Protocol on September 5.

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  1. Drake Ewbank

    I appreciated your article in the Daily Anarchist – which I found by accident, as well as appreciated it having all those noted with links. That my Russian was better I would understand more of the nuances. I can buy train tickets, ask the price of chocolate, and otherwise operate enough matt to read some of the graffitti about Putin as well as sing the songs. )))

    You might be interested in this extended dialogue that took place amongst those speaking to the ALDE (Association of Liberal Democrats of Europe) on November 21, 2014 this year.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgw_iIry_bk

    Andrey Illiaranov (former Putin economist) and Andrei Piontkovsky (Open Democracy Russian Dissident) have interesting presentation… it takes issue with a lot of the “random” characterizations of Putin’s reaction to the Maidan. Heck, I even think that Illya Ponamarov (communist member of the Duma and sole vote against Krim’s annexation) understands what took place better than western spectators.

    This, though long, has elements of a different tone for the discussions about the near future in eastern Europe and an analysis of the re-emergence of Russia. It speaks to a different world dynamic. It happens in Ukraine too as we see people from the oligarchy block the anti-corruption efforts with money and meaningless programmatic speech. (klitschko’s party blocked the first anti-corruption efforts of Tanya Chornovil in April btw)

    The dialogue needs to jettison the well traveled polemics and stupid assumptions (which I noticed here someone characterized the “nazi” argument that is so distorted in the media). I cannot tell you how tired I am of seeing national press attention in the USA given to folks like Stephen Cohen, who for a person with a history of being seen as radical, is sounding more and more like a Stalinist apologist. (Stalin the fascist part of WWII that we have still yet to own up to befriending…)

    You are accurate to be upset with the libertarians, they dont get it either,… still being stuck in a mode that is easily subject to both the fairly clueless reductions served to them, as well as the odd surprise of a very strong presence in the american left that has rejected what you I think correctly identify as an organic and anti-criminal revolution in the square. The maidan is seen by many exactly as characterized somewhere deep in the basement of RT, a nationalistic coup and junta, which is just one more flare up of a Europe that is seeing the rise of right wing extremism. (their phrase btw)

    Just like Ukraine’s and the west’s communications are still whining and ineffective, despite the mafia like brutality of the Russians asserting/reclaiming their extension state and authority with Krim and Donbass, and despite doing much of this largely due to the public international affront of the Ukrainians disrespecting their man Viktor Fedorovych and their ownership of Ukraine…. IE dominance thrown over in favor of “idealized notions of freedom and democracy” — the understanding of the new era that we exist in is nowhere present in the public dialogue. There is not much intelligent critique out there… which makes things kind of like a duel of fractured fairy tales.

    There are serious modern “hybridized” challenges to the nature of political and security activity, that require some insight to deal with. Especially once the Russians disregarded and now exploit rules once held in place and enforceable only by money. If the quality of the dialogue is not raised, the Russians will continue to control the situation by doing pretty much what they want fueled by a mandate for Putin’s nationalism. Similarly that NATO only became a possibility in Ukraine after Russia bullied them, so too do the economic sanctions feed the dialogue that western money and culture have poisoned the strong Russian spirit. If you are Ukrainian you should be familiar with the domastroi sort of character of this strength, and the importance of saving face being more important than food or even a high price for oil and gas.

    My significant other lives in Nikolaeyev, and I am there 3-4 months of the year… and I had hoped, after the maidan that the deep seated misery that I have seen for years would somehow lift. In Lviv, the least Sovietized city I know in Ukraine, things are better — and any person visiting Poland even and comparing it with endless grey Soviet prospects and apartments would see that people would have to be crazy to want to live there in contrast with the European standard.

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