Liars Accuse Liars of Lying

The US gov’t published these ten lies and about Russian propaganda (http://m.state.gov/md222988.htm):

1. Mr. Putin says: Russian forces in Crimea are only acting to protect Russian military assets. It is “citizens’ defense groups,” not Russian forces, who have seized infrastructure and military facilities in Crimea.

The Facts: Strong evidence suggests that members of Russian security services are at the heart of the highly organized anti-Ukraine forces in Crimea. While these units wear uniforms without insignia, they drive vehicles with Russian military license plates and freely identify themselves as Russian security forces when asked by the international media and the Ukrainian military. Moreover, these individuals are armed with weapons not generally available to civilians.

2. Mr. Putin says: Russia’s actions fall within the scope of the 1997 Friendship Treaty between Ukraine and the Russian Federation.

The Facts: The 1997 agreement requires Russia to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity. Russia’s military actions in Ukraine, which have given them operational control of Crimea, are in clear violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.

3. Mr. Putin says: The opposition failed to implement the February 21 agreement with former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

The Facts: The February 21 agreement laid out a plan in which the Rada, or Parliament, would pass a bill to return Ukraine to its 2004 Constitution, thus returning the country to a constitutional system centered around its parliament. Under the terms of the agreement, Yanukovych was to sign the enacting legislation within 24 hours and bring the crisis to a peaceful conclusion. Yanukovych refused to keep his end of the bargain. Instead, he packed up his home and fled, leaving behind evidence of wide-scale corruption.

4. Mr. Putin says: Ukraine’s government is illegitimate. Yanukovych is still the legitimate leader of Ukraine.

The Facts: On March 4, President Putin himself acknowledged the reality that Yanukovych “has no political future.” After Yanukovych fled Ukraine, even his own Party of Regions turned against him, voting to confirm his withdrawal from office and to support the new government. Ukraine’s new government was approved by the democratically elected Ukrainian Parliament, with 371 votes – more than an 82% majority. The interim government of Ukraine is a government of the people, which will shepherd the country toward democratic elections on May 25th – elections that will allow all Ukrainians to have a voice in the future of their country.

5. Mr. Putin says: There is a humanitarian crisis and hundreds of thousands are fleeing Ukraine to Russia and seeking asylum.

The Facts: To date, there is absolutely no evidence of a humanitarian crisis. Nor is there evidence of a flood of asylum-seekers fleeing Ukraine for Russia. International organizations on the ground have investigated by talking with Ukrainian border guards, who also refuted these claims. Independent journalists observing the border have also reported no such flood of refugees.

6. Mr. Putin says: Ethnic Russians are under threat.

The Facts: Outside of Russian press and Russian state television, there are no credible reports of any ethnic Russians being under threat. The new Ukrainian government placed a priority on peace and reconciliation from the outset. President Oleksandr Turchynov refused to sign legislation limiting the use of the Russian language at regional level. Ethnic Russians and Russian speakers have filed petitions attesting that their communities have not experienced threats. Furthermore, since the new government was established, calm has returned to Kyiv. There has been no surge in crime, no looting, and no retribution against political opponents.

7. Mr. Putin says: Russian bases are under threat.

The Facts: Russian military facilities were and remain secure, and the new Ukrainian government has pledged to abide by all existing international agreements, including those covering Russian bases. It is Ukrainian bases in Crimea that are under threat from Russian military action.

8. Mr. Putin says: There have been mass attacks on churches and synagogues in southern and eastern Ukraine.

The Facts: Religious leaders in the country and international religious freedom advocates active in Ukraine have said there have been no incidents of attacks on churches. All of Ukraine’s church leaders, including representatives of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate, have expressed support for the new political leadership, calling for national unity and a period of healing. Jewish groups in southern and eastern Ukraine report that they have not seen an increase in anti-Semitic incidents.

9. Mr. Putin says: Kyiv is trying to destabilize Crimea.

The Facts: Ukraine’s interim government has acted with restraint and sought dialogue. Russian troops, on the other hand, have moved beyond their bases to seize political objectives and infrastructure in Crimea. The government in Kyiv immediately sent the former Chief of Defense to defuse the situation. Petro Poroshenko, the latest government emissary to pursue dialogue in Crimea, was prevented from entering the Crimean Rada.

10. Mr. Putin says: The Rada is under the influence of extremists or terrorists.

The Facts: The Rada is the most representative institution in Ukraine. Recent legislation has passed with large majorities, including from representatives of eastern Ukraine. Far-right wing ultranationalist groups, some of which were involved in open clashes with security forces during the EuroMaidan protests, are not represented in the Rada. There is no indication that the Ukrainian government would pursue discriminatory policies; on the contrary, they have publicly stated exactly the opposite.

#4 is Dubious. The rada didn’t quite follow procedure for dismissing President Yanukovych.

The rest of the seem accurate, much to my surprise.

8 Comments

  1. elmer

    #4 is dubious? C’mon Roman.

    Yanusvoloch spent 2 days emptying the contents of Mezhihirya into big truck convoys. He then fled, and turned up in Rostov-on-Don, from where he pronounced in a press conference that “Ukraine is OUR strategic partner.”

    WHOSE strategic partner? Is he the president of Roosha in addition to Putler?

    The son of a bitch moron imbecile abandoned his post. His head should be on a pike.

    It’s not dubious at all.

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    1. Roman

      You’re talking about moral legitimacy. I agree with you. But my criticism pertained to procedural / legal legitimacy.

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      1. elmer

        no, Roman, I WAS talking about procedural and legal legitimacy.

        The sonofabitch looted Mezhihirya for 2 days, and sent his Airbus to United Arab Emirates.

        Then he shows up in Rostov-on-Don and proclaims from there that Ukraine is “OUR” strategic partner.

        The lunkhead illiterate delusional imbecile left, he vamoosed, he resigned, he abandoned his post.

        He has no more legal right than you or I to claim that he continues to be president, especially in voluntary exile.

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        1. Roman

          “The sonofabitch looted Mezhihirya for 2 days, and sent his Airbus to United Arab Emirates.

          Then he shows up in Rostov-on-Don and proclaims from there that Ukraine is “OUR” strategic partner.”

          You’re making emotional, moral arguments, which I AGREE with, btw. The fact that he fled (after a physical threat) does not satisfy the legal requirements for impeachment. As I understand it, the legal procedure mandates the appointment of a committee and an investigation, presentation of findings, and then a vote.

          I think this explanation is accurate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-FYM5QkXZ

          You’re suffering from a confirmation bias, Elmer.

          I’m not saying he shouldn’t be out. I’m just saying that of the 10 points presented here, 4 is a bit dubious.

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          1. elmer

            physical threat????????

            he had an armed compound with a security force.

            physical threat???? from whom???

            you are spewing Kremlinoid propaganda, Roman

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  2. Ed K

    Elmer,

    The Russki’s shut your reference down at:

    Ukraine – Kyiv Fri 1:53 PM

    I went to site, got on then poof, either volume clogged it or Russkis shut it down.

    Have you got another website with that information?

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